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Gameness | Pitbull Game
#91
Dude, ce dogmani fac testul de game la 4 luni? Tu citesti ce scrii?
Tu nu stii la ce varsta iti poti antrena cainele si vorbesti de "pitbull game adevarati"...
Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one.
#92
(03-02-2013, 02:45 PM)mihai. a scris: inseamna ca tu nu ai vazut niciodata un pitbull game adevarat.
Nici macar nu ai pitbull si vorbesti de gameness? lol hai ca esti funny.
#93
Un articol scris de un om care stie ce vorbeste ca sa intelegem si noi mai bine Wink O sa incerc sa-l traduc in limita timpului daca e nevoie, sau daca se baga cineva ii multumim anticipat Wink

Degrees of Gameness by Tom Garner

If we are to agree that dogs can have different degrees of gameness (or curness, if you will) on different days and under different circumstances (and I believe that most of us have witnessed this fact), then we can't even be certain of the absolute gameness of a dog that we see die with his tail wagging, because we can only speculate about how he might have performed on a different day, at a different age, with a different opponent We must bear in mind that a living thing, dog or man, is a biochemical dynamic entity that is in a constant state of flux They and we are different now than we were even one minute ago. The conditions and tendencies that existed yesterday may be long gone tomorrow. So perhaps we should only say about a dog that he was game or cur on a particular day, under specific circumstances?

Also, we should ask ourselves what the objective of a match is? Is it to determine gameness? If it is, it is often a miserable failure. Most often we see one dog quit and the winner is most often still of undetermined gameness. How often does the winner die in the pit? If he doesnt, then he wasn't truly tested, was he? If there is only one degree of gameness and that degree is dead-gameness and we have game testing as our objective, then the irony is that just as we are proving the worth of our dog, we are proving our own stupidity as we are destroying our own worthy dog.

Maybe the objective of a match is simply to see which dog can scratch longer than the other dog, which relegates gameness to a rote as being but one of several significant ingredients.

Now if we are truly intending to be gameness fanatics, then matching is a relatively useless forum for us. The best method for breeding "game" dogs is to breed our prospects all we intend to, then test them to their death (with video camera rolling) and if they die right, raise their pups. If they are not, then euthanize their pups. Even better, let's have a team of medical experts present who can "revive" our clinicaly dead dogs so that they can be tested for "dead gameness" on another day, under other circumstances. One would think that a double-dead-game dog would be better than a dog that only died right once. In this way we can determine if a dead game performance by a dog was truly indicative of his genetic make-up and to ensure that he didn't just have a day in which he rose above his true worth, much like Buster Douglas when he fought Tyson.

I think, as have indicated at length elsewhere, that gameness (defined as the willingness to persevere against adversity) is a state (affected by numerous traits) that may vary to a significant degree within a dog from day to day, and certainly is present in different amounts from animal to animal. The fact that it is variable is amply demonstrated by the great degree of variability of time that matches last. Gameness is defined by a continuum that ranges from none to complete, from a willingness to endure only a little adversity to an acceptance of the worst kind of adversity.

The human mind attempts to reduce complex reality from infinite shades of gray to black and white simply because it gives us the illusion that we have a complete grasp of it However it is a false comfort one that changes not one iota the reality of a multitude of gray shades.

Now it may be that we can say "I will not settle for anything short of dead game in my breeding stock", and that is an admirable objective. But to deny the accomplishment of a 3-hour dog that quits, by saying he is no different than a two minute cur is illogical and perhaps immoral as it cheats him of his credit We might instead say. "I am so committed to breeding only dead game dogs that for my purposes, a three hour cur is no better than a two minute cur". I can accept that statement but to simply, unequivocally say they are the same is unacceptable.

Also, folks are fond of saying, The only dead game dog is a dead dog". The reality is that the dog was a dead game dog before he fought but his gameness was not proven to human satisfaction. The act of fighting does not create gameness. Gameness is a response potential, which is demonstrated in the fight not created in the fight Therefore there are in fact dead game dogs waking around as we speak, we just can't be sure which ones they are.
İmage
#94
(03-02-2013, 02:49 PM)NICK a scris: Dude, ce dogmani fac testul de game la 4 luni? Tu citesti ce scrii?
Tu nu stii la ce varsta iti poti antrena cainele si vorbesti de "pitbull game adevarati"...

la mn in oras se fac lupte si stiu ce vorbesc, la 4luni caini lor fac ogramada de teste...

#95
isi bat joc de caini nu fac teste cu ei.cum poti sa bagi un caine la lupte cand nici nu are dinti.lollol.aia sant niste idioti si niste prosti habar nu au de capul lor si nici macar nu ar trebui sa detina un animal.
#96
Alea la tine in oras, Mihai, nu sunt lupte si nici teste ... probabil sunt copilarii si caini chinuiti.
İmage
#97
(03-06-2013, 05:29 PM)nicu a scris: isi bat joc de caini nu fac teste cu ei.cum poti sa bagi un caine la lupte cand nici nu are dinti.lollol.aia sant niste idioti si niste prosti habar nu au de capul lor si nici macar nu ar trebui sa detina un animal.

nu stiu daca este bine sau nu ce fac eu doar am spus ce stiu

(03-06-2013, 05:33 PM)Lukian a scris: Alea la tine in oras, Mihai, nu sunt lupte si nici teste ... probabil sunt copilarii si caini chinuiti.

din cate stiu eu sunt lupte bine organizate.. nu in spatele blocului
#98
la bucuresti nu sant lupte poate in afara bucurestiului si nici nu sant catelari acolo in bucuresti decat vreo3-4 restul sant nimicuri.
#99
salut! ma intrebam, doar pitbulli pot avea gameness?Huh sunt singurii? amstaff'ul, bull terrierul nu pot avea?
A.p.b.t - the dog with more balls than a fuckin' christmastree
Salut ! Mai sunt si alte cateva rase la care poti intalni exemplare game sa le zicem asa, dar pitbullii au calitatea asta dusa la un alt nivel iar exemplarele de varf chiar la extrem, pentru ca asta a fost primul criteriu cautat in crearea si evolutia rasei. Unii zic ca nu se poate vorbi de gameness la alte rase, nici la amstaff nici la bull, dar cred ca se pot gasi indivizi care sa arate o doza din game-ul ala atat de cautat ... mai rar si nu atat cat un pit ... care pit poate la fel bine sa nu fie chiar game. Ca sa intelegi mai bine, gameness-ul ala aratat intr-o lupta rar il poti vedea la alte rase.
İmage
(03-08-2013, 04:38 PM)Lukian a scris: Salut ! Mai sunt si alte cateva rase la care poti intalni exemplare game sa le zicem asa, dar pitbullii au calitatea asta dusa la un alt nivel iar exemplarele de varf chiar la extrem, pentru ca asta a fost primul criteriu cautat in crearea si evolutia rasei. Unii zic ca nu se poate vorbi de gameness la alte rase, nici la amstaff nici la bull, dar cred ca se pot gasi indivizi care sa arate o doza din game-ul ala atat de cautat ... mai rar si nu atat cat un pit ... care pit poate la fel bine sa nu fie chiar game. Ca sa intelegi mai bine, gameness-ul ala aratat intr-o lupta rar il poti vedea la alte rase.

aha. ok, dar acum cu luptele, nu mai sunt cum erau, si sper sa nu mai fie deloc lupte intre caini, eu unu spun ca is bune luptele la sfoara/funie daca tot vor sa isi masoare cainii intre ei. si care cedeaza pierde. am vazut un video cu 2 pitbull, dintre care unul la muscat pe celalalt in zona testiculelor si asa la tinut toata lupta, la rupt, si stapanul nu stiu cum putea sa isi vada cainele in halul ala, fara sa intervina. dar ce ma uimit la acel caine, dupa lupta, abia se tinea pe picioarele din spate saracul, inca vroia sa se bage la adversar, chiar daca era cum era. sunt atat de multi oameni fara inima..
A.p.b.t - the dog with more balls than a fuckin' christmastree
Mario, sunt multe discutii si controverse pe tema asta, mai documenteaza-te si o sa intelegi mai bine notiunea. Game-ul la pit nu e acelasi lucru cu game-ul la alte rase, se poate spune ca e mult superior sau dus la alte cote tocmai din cauza ca un caine trebuie sa-ai arate gameness-ul in cele mai grele conditii, chiar daca propria-i viata e in pericol.
İmage
gamenessul se intalneste la mai multe rase, dar fiecare rasa il are in ceea ce trebuie sa faca rasa respectiva.pitt are gameness in lupta pentru ca asa a fost creat.husky are la tras malamutul tot asa.sant diferite criterii de gameness pentru fiecare rasa de caine de lucru doar ca la pitt este acest lucru dus la extrem ceea ce la nici o alta rasa de caine nu gasesti acest gameness.fiecare rasa cu calitatile ei.
aha. ok, inteleg.eu voi avea in curand cred si sper mult un bull terrier. o sa vin cu niste poze poate mai incolo cand il voi aduce. si poate si cu parintii. oricum, multumesc pentru sfaturi si pareri. Hug
A.p.b.t - the dog with more balls than a fuckin' christmastree
(03-08-2013, 04:50 PM)mario238 a scris: aha. ok, dar acum cu luptele, nu mai sunt cum erau, si sper sa nu mai fie deloc lupte intre caini, eu unu spun ca is bune luptele la sfoara/funie daca tot vor sa isi masoare cainii intre ei. si care cedeaza pierde. am vazut un video cu 2 pitbull, dintre care unul la muscat pe celalalt in zona testiculelor si asa la tinut toata lupta, la rupt, si stapanul nu stiu cum putea sa isi vada cainele in halul ala, fara sa intervina. dar ce ma uimit la acel caine, dupa lupta, abia se tinea pe picioarele din spate saracul, inca vroia sa se bage la adversar, chiar daca era cum era. sunt atat de multi oameni fara inima..
lupta aia ce ai vazuto tu este o prostie,un caine sacrificat,era o diferenta foarte mare intre caini si valoarea lor... este ca si cum ai lua un om obisnuit de pe strada si l.ai pune in ring cu daniel ghita si ala incepe si ii cara pumni, acolo au fost 2 retardati care si.au pus cainii la bataie


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